02/04/2019 by Rose Eveleth
Today we travel to a future where fisheries collapse world wide, and we turn the ocean into a giant farm.
Guests: Amanda Nickson: director of international fisheries at The Pew Charitable Trusts Daniel Pauly: professor University of British Columbia, principal investigator at Sea Around Us, author of Vanishing Fish: Shifting Baselines and the Future of Global Fisheries Bernard Friedman: founder of Santa Barbara Mariculture Tyler Sclodnick: senior scientist, InnovaSea Systems Inc. Patricia Majluf: vice president, Peru of Oceana
Actors: The Snowglobe Narrator: Brent Rose Lenny Haywood: Evan Johnson Farah Mousterian: Zahra Noorbakhsh, host of Good Muslim, Bad Muslim John Jacob Siwa: Joseph Jones Juana Aguilar: Tamara Krinsky Christina Amity: Angeli R. Fitch
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Listen Date: 2019-05-07
- This podcast made me realise that I am very stupid. I had not made the connection between overfishing and fossil fuels (this level of catch would be impossible with sail ships); and nor had I realised that farming fish needs you to also farm even more smaller fish as fish food (even though I’ve been familiar enough with “you need x acres of soya to raise y cows”)
- The bonus episode has a wild story of how Japan bribes other countries to classify whales as vermin who eat fish so that there’s more of a case for whaling. It also says that not that many people in Japan actually want to eat whales, so I wonder if a few bureaucrats retiring will be all it takes for Japan to suddenly give up on its whaling obsession.
- Daniel Pauly’s accent is awesome.
- The story of the Peruvian anchovy’s rise to glamour and then sudden collapse is very sad.
- The discussion both in the main episode and the bonus episode about the Tragedy of the Commons problem; and how its inventor recanted was interesting, and I wish Rose Eveleth had spoken to modern day economists who study it (now that Elinor Ostrom has got me so interested).